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[Heze 1,594]

Draft orientato a sistemare l'attacco, almeno per i primi 3 giri. Un rb, due to e un qb (paragonato a schaub, vabbè). Vediamo di pescare anche un wr, poi speriamo nel miracolo.

[(_Nimrod_) 435]

Tre giri e ancora non si vede un ILB

Dai lo abbiamo preso al quarto giro

[Heze 1,594]

Altro tackle!

[(_Nimrod_) 435]

Dai alla fine buon draft: presi due CB di talento ma da sviluppare per sostituire Williams e House. Speriamo che in certi schemi difensivi possano giù contribuire quest'anno. Il WR del terzo giro è molto bravo a ritornare i calci ed è stato descritto come un Cobb più grande (anche se dubito possa già contribuire nel gioco aereo). Buona la presa di Jack Ryan che probabilmente potrà dare un contributo immediato. Il QB lo svilupperemo per poi darlo via per delle pick per il resto preso l'erede di Kuhn, un TE per gli special team e un DL.

 

Ricapitolando:

CB: la profondità del ruolo non è più un problema

ILB: come sopra

Special team: tutti i giocatori del draft potranni giocarci. Basta vaccate come lo scorso anno.

[D-GenerationLakers 7,588]

Sweep al Fenway che non è mai male e 8-2 nelle ultime 10 ! 

 

 

 

[Guest Nigma]

18-6 ma senza ace. Che amarezza.

[Heze 1,594]

Altro RB. Chi va via tra Stacy e Mason? Dubito mandino via Cunningham.

CVD, Stacy tradato.

[(_Nimrod_) 435]

È uscito il report del deflate gate. A quanto pare Brady sapeva. Ma non ho letto attentamente quindi dgen provvederà a dare uleeriori informazioni e correzioni

[snakepit 7,420]

Come si era previsto, colpe scaricate su Brady x evitare sanzioni pesanti a carico della franchigia...conviene sia ai Patriots che all'NFL stessa.

Chissà cosa s'inventeranno al prossimo giro!

[(_Nimrod_) 435]

Si ma Brady non ne esce bene. Cioè uno dello staff era chiamato the deflator o una roba del genere.

 

Ps: i messaggi tra i membri staff sono fantastici

[Guest Nigma]

 

 

 

Adam SchefterAccount verificato ‏@AdamSchefter

NFL considering discipline for Tom Brady, locker attendant Jim McNally, equipment asst John Jastremski, per source close to investigation.

 

Bell squalificato da una parte, Brady squalificato dall'altra? I take it.

[keitaro 4,113]

Mi spiace per Brady. Magari con una franchigia onesta avrebbe solo un superbowl come Peyton, ma almeno potrebbe dire di avercelo pulito.

Però se dopo tutti questi anni è ancora lì vuol dire che gli va bene così. Se per giunta si prestava a firmare autografi e a fornire sportgear ai due esecutori materiali è proprio il degno compare di BB.

 

Qui il report completo

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2015/05/06/0ap3000000491381.pdf

 

Le parti succose stanno da pagina 10 in poi

 

 

 

In the weeks and months before the AFC Championship Game, McNally periodically exchanged text messages with the Patriots equipment assistant primarily responsible for the preparation of the Patriots game balls, John Jastremski. In a number of those text messages, McNally and Jastremski discussed the air pressure of Patriots game balls, Tom Brady's unhappiness with the inflationlevel of Patriots game balls, Jastremski's plan to provide McNally with a “needle" for use by McNally, and McNally's requests for "cash" and "sneakers" together with the “needle” to be provided by Jastremski

 

McNally: Tom sucks...im going make that next ball a fuckin balloon

Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done...

Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though...

Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs fucked us...a few of then were at almost 16

Jastremski: They didnt recheck then after they put air in them

 

Bird: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week

Bird: Tom must be really on you

Bird: Tell Tom I need courtside

Bird: Or the only thing deflating sunday is his passer rating

 

The inflation level of game balls clearly is important to Brady, as demonstrated by his reaction when he believed that game balls were inflated at an undesirable

level. In addition, Brady personally was involved in the 2006 rule change that allowed visiting teams to prepare game balls in accordance with the preferences of their quarterbacks. During the process of advocating that rule change, it is reasonable to inferthat Brady was likely to be (or become) familiar with the NFL rules regarding game balls, including the 12.5 psi minimum inflation level, although Brady denies having been aware of Rule 2 or the minimum inflation level until 2014 (despite approximately fourteen years as an NFL quarterback)

 

 

 

E poi c'è pure l'accenno ad altre probabili manomissioni, purtroppo i legali dei Patriots non hanno permesso domande a riguardo, ciccini

 

 

 

Additional Deflation Reference by McNally

Text message sent by McNally to Jastremski during a Patriots road game against the Green Bay Packers on November 30, 2014, includes a possible suggestion to deflate footballs. As recovered from Jastremski's cell phone, the message states

 

11/30/2014 18:01:08 EST Bird: Deflate and give somebody that jkt

 

Kickoff for the game was scheduled for 4:25 p.m. EST, so it is likely that the text message was sent at or around halftime. We planned to discuss this message with McNally during our requested follow-up interview. As noted above, we were unable to do so because counsel for the Patriots refused to make McNally available

 

 

 

[(_Nimrod_) 435]

Bell squalificato da una parte, Brady squalificato dall'altra? I take it.

anche io ma con Brady ci andranno morbidi a mio parere.

Anzi non credo salterà neanche una partita.

[D-GenerationLakers 7,588]

 

 

Ted Wells hired a consulting group that used to be called The Failure Group, Inc.

That isn't a joke. That's pretty much all you need to know.

The investigation, the findings, and the official conclusion completes a 100-day process of absolutely nothing. It's a circus, a charade, and a performance to placate the masses because if the league is going to draw blood, it might as well come from the current kings.

There are numerous shortcomings with the research done by Ted Wells and his team, or at least they're presented in a way that's disingenuous and blatantly slanted towards a foregone conclusion.

If you haven't read it yet, here's the official release of the Wells Report. We're going to lay out reasons why their conclusions are hogwash based upon the evidence provided.

And to start, there's definite concerns with regards to the communication between locker attendant Jim McNally and equipment manager John Jastremski. Anyone who calls themselves The Deflator (on May 9th, 2014) in this situation is going to be a clear and obvious target.

So let's review the communication between McNally and Jastremski via text, with the context that it's October and the Patriots had just faced the Jets. Tom Brady was furious and cussed out McNally, to Jastremski, on the sideline because the referees inflated the footballs that had been provided. McNally, upon finding out Brady was upside, stated, "F-- Tom." All texts are as provided, spelling and grammar errors as they're presented.

Halftime of the Jets Game, October 16th

JJ: Tom is acting crazy about the balls. Ready to vomit

??: K. He saying there not good enough??

JJ: Tell later

October 17th

 

JJ (to his fiancee): Ugh...Tom was right. I just measured some of the balls. They were supposed to be 13 lbs... They were like 16. Felt like bricks.

JM: Tom sucks...im going to make that next ball a fuckin balloon

JJ: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done... I told him it was. He was right though... I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs fucked us...a few of then were at almost 16. They didn't recheck then after they put air in them

JM: Fuck tom...16 is nothing...wait till next sunday

JJ: Omg! Spaz

October 22nd

JM: Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so tom can get used to it before sunday

JJ: Omg

October 23rd

JJ: Can't wait to give you your needle this week :)

JM: Fuck tom...make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....fuckin watermelons coming

JJ: So angry

JM: The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating

October 24th

JJ: I have a big needle for u this week

JM: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday. Fuck tom

JJ: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker

JM: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week

October 25th

JJ: Size 11? 2 or 3X?

JM: Tom must really be on you. 11 0r 11half......2x unless its tight fitting

JJ: Nah. Hasn't even mentioned it, figured u should get something since he gives u nothing. Granted I already left stadium so unless Dave leaves room tomorrow then it'll wait till next week.

JM: No prob

This was the week following that Jets game. To reset the scenario, the footballs were inflated to 16 PSI (the upper limit should be 13.5 PSI) by the refs. Brady is mad at McNally for letting the refs inflate the footballs until they felt like "bricks".

The report notes, on page 40, that after the Jets game is when Brady learned that the football had to be between 12.5 PSI and 13.5 PSI. So in between the Jets game and the next game, against the Bears, Brady made a target of 12.5 PSI from that point forward. Brady goes as far as suggesting that they provide the refs with a rule book (sound familiar, Baltimore?) so they understand not to over-inflate the football.

So it makes natural sense that the person in charge of preparing the football, Jastremski, would have this at the front of his mind, and this would be the prime time to joke about Brady's lofty demands with McNally, the person in charge of bringing the air pump and pressure gauge to the officials.

The week after Brady increases focus on football pressure because the football wasoverinflated, the equipment staff starts making jokes about offering Brady more overinflated footballs. Or, they should be interpreted as jokes, unless you're trying to paint a devious plot of deflation. Jastremski specifically says that Brady isn't involved in giving McNally the shoes. The two continue to make jokes about shoes throughout the report.

The needle in reference is with regards to the fact that Jastremski, who provides the air pump and pressure gauge to McNally for the officials, only gave McNally one needle for the two instruments. The big needle is in reference to the different needle sizes for said instruments and the fact that Jastremski gave him the wrong sized needle earlier in the season.

Fairly innocuous stuff. But Wells steamrolls over every and all explanation provided by Jastemski and McNally on the grounds that they have to be talking about deflating the footballs if they're talking about needles?!? Well, yes. The footballs were overinflated in the prior game, so of course they'll be talking about deflating the footballs to get them into the approved range.

And that is the root of the issue.

 

The report isn't about finding whether or not the Patriots did anything wrong, or if Tom Brady directed the equipment staff to do anything, or if Bill Belichick angled the stadium construction so the football on his sideline is slightly different than on the other side. It's about coming up with a narrative where it's "more probable than not" that the Patriots are in violation.

Discussion of deflating the football, albeit from an overinflated starting point, is enough of a launching point when you have your preconceived conviction at the front of your mind.

And it's why the report has overlooked numerous cases of shoddy math, recordings of evidence, and shadow organizations.

When the league measured the footballs at halftime, they discovered that the Patriots footballs were at a wider range than those in the Colts possession. Of course, they measured 11 of the Patriots footballs and only four from the Colts, which implies an incomplete attempt at performing their due diligence. It also doesn't help when they misrecord the PSI of one of those four Colts footballs.

 

 

And so part of the evidence submitted by the league has 25% in jeopardy from the onset. That's not inspiring in any fashion. Additionally, if the goal was for integrity, then why would they have put a Patriots football in play for the second half that was potentially above the allowed limit?

 

The Wells Report doesn't shy away from siding with the officials in the "he-said, she-said" aspect of this investigation. While statements by Jastremski and McNally are quickly discarded, Wells is readily accepting of referee Walt Anderson's claim that the officials inflated the Patriots footballs at the start of the game to the 12.5 PSI limit. This, of course, isn't recorded, even though Anderson was advised that the football preparation would be under greater scrutiny per the request of the Colts.

The same referee who can, with certainty, state that the Patriots footballs were definitely at 12.5 PSI, had a harder time recollecting the actual number of footballs New England had approved.

 

And so we're left comparing unrecorded pregame measurements against partially (and incorrectly) recorded halftime measurements, against incomplete post-game measurements.

Keep in mind that only four of the Colts footballs were measured at half time. A random selection of four Patriots and four Colts footballs were measured after the game. There's no direct connection showing how Football "A"s PSI was affected from a pre-, during-, and post-game stand point.

Yet the report feels comfortable stating that there is statistical significance in the change in pressure of the Patriots footballs versus those of the Colts. This is a bold claim, especially when they're double weighting each football.

 

 

In the referenced appendix, the 22 measurements for the Patriots is including the referee's reported, but not recorded, PSI. Jastremski noted that earlier in the season, in October, the referees inflated the footballs to 16 PSI. It seems extraordinarily questionable to assume that the Patriots footballs were at 12.5 PSI, if not dangerously willful.

And here's the main reason why you should absolutely disregard the findings in this report.

 

Ted Wells hired a consulting group that used to be called The Failure Group, Inc. They are now called Exponent. And they have a track record of harmful disregard of the truth in favor of pursuing the bottom line. They have claimed in the past that smoking doesn't cause cancer, that Chevron dumping oil waste didn't cause cancer (while the largest shareholder of Chevron was on Exponent's board), and that asbestos doesn't cause mesothelioma or cancer.

They are generally the first group called when a mega-entity is in need of a science experiment. Back in 2010, the L.A. Times published an article that stated, "Exponent's research has come under fire from critics, including engineers, attorneys and academics who say the company tends to deliver to clients the reports they need to mount a public defense."

So when Exponent produces a statistical study with a weak backing in statistics, it only weakens the claims made in the report. The findings are exactly what the NFL needed if they wanted to further bury the Patriots, even though other smarter entities have found that there is scientific backing in the pressure of New England's footballs.

The entire report drips with the desire to capture the Patriots in the middle of wrong-doing, even though there isn't an explicit example of Tom Brady being involved. All Wells had to do was prove that it was "more probable than not" that the Patriots were in violation- and when he gets to create his own evidence for submission, then that conclusion is all too easy to come by.

Questo riassume il DGen-pensiero: 

 

"more probable than not" .    

Se Brady salta la prima smetto di seguire.... 

 

p.s. Keità mi raccomando sabato caca il cazzo tutto il LLG con il deflate gate eh ! 

[(_Nimrod_) 435]

Hanno scritto "More probably than not" perchè il buon Brady si è rifiutato di dare il telefono con cui ha chiamato uno dei due dipendenti nei giorno seguenti allo scandalo.

 

Ma è ovvio che i QB diano i palloni come li vogliono agli arbitri. Scommetto che alcuni le consegnano sotto 12,5 psi e altri sopra i 13,5 (come Rodgers che vuole il pallone più gonfio possibile). Il discorso è che dopo che i palloni vengono consegnati e gli arbitri li controllano, e li mettono in regola se non sono nel range giusto, a quei palloni non si può più fare niente. Cosa che evidentemente non è stata così con NE. Che poi chi ci crede che brady non sapesse niente? Ovvio che sia colpevole

[Lakeshow 2,435]

Federico ha già detto tutto quello che andava detto con riferimenti precisi ed esaustivi. Io dico la mia:

 

 

Wells non ha fornito alcuna prova alla NFL per punire i Patriots (anzi, in questo caso Brady). 243 pagine di congetture.

 

Se si legge bene il linguaggio usato, non si parla mai di "conclusive evidence", il "more probable than not" è la forma più confusa e fumosa che esista di dire che qualcosa è successo. E' come dire: "E' più probabile che improbabile che io mi mangi un piatto di pastasciutta a pranzo." il che non significa assolutamente niente.

 

A Brady piacciono le palle sgonfie *no pun intended*, ma anche qui...ciò implica che gli piacciano SOTTO il limite legale? quando da quanto appreso lui non era neanche consapevole che ci fosse un limite legale e quale fosse, e quando l'ha saputo ha dato ordine di far gonfiare i palloni a 12.5...

 

Le conversazioni tra i due ball boy "Brady mi sta uccidendo/facendo vomitare" non è che per caso sono dovute all'eccesso di competitività e alla cura dei dettagli da parte di Brady (cosa arcinota e automatica tra gli sportivi che vogliono vincere qualcosa)? Una volta saputo che dovevano essere gonfiati entro una certa soglia e avendo un feeling migliore con un pallone più sgonfio in proporzione, ha voluto adottare questa strategia.

 

La PSI dei palloni è un concetto relativo, l'abbiamo già detto e ripetuto: gli arbitri hanno fatto gonfiare palloni fino a 16, e sono loro che dovrebbero conoscere la normativa...hanno lasciato, nel super bowl 37, che Brad Johnson >> i palloni...inoltre dalle misurazioni sui palloni dei due arbitri Blakeman e Prioleau, si notano due incongruenze neanche tanto sottili. 

Primo: 3 palloni dei Colts su 4 sono sotto il limite secondo una misurazione, e va bè...abbiamo già detto l'effetto della differenza di temperatura sui palloni...

Secondo: I palloni dei Patriots misurati da Blakeman risultano essere più sgonfi rispetto alla misurazione di Prioleau, mentre con la misurazione dei Colts accade il contrario...non credo si scambino l'ago per misurare...

 

In conclusione, credo che se Goodell infliggerà punizioni superiori alla multa a Tom Brady, c'è qualcosa di profondamente sbagliato in questo sistema di giustizia sportiva. Non c'è una prova. Ma la gente starà altri 5-6 anni addosso a New England, perché "IT'S MORE PROBABLE THAN NOT". 

 

P.S. Questa sera dormirò con Gisele. E' più probabile che improbabile.

[Heze 1,594]

[keitaro 4,113]

La difesa juventina per i bostoniani, un classico.

 

Peccato che un giurista come Federico non abbia riaperto il manuale di comparato per spiegare alla combriccola il principio di prova secondo "Preponderance of Evidence", cardine del sistema civile anglosassone e mutuata dalla NFL. E quindi come attaccare l'uso di parole come probabile nel report è semplice ignoranza del linguaggio giuridico statunitense e del significato autentico che rivestono in un documento legale.

 

A preponderance of evidence has been described as just enough evidence to make it more likely than not that the fact the claimant seeks to prove is true.

 

Mi rendo conto che però sia più facile copiaincollare dai media bostoniani perculati in mezza america.

 

Poi al netto di tutto, Brady che sta sempre al telefono con gli sgonfiatori e ruba la palla delle 50.000yds per regalarla al "deflator" e li ricopre di autografi non fa neanche un po' pena?

[D-GenerationLakers 7,588]

^

 

"Presumption of innocence" =  innocent until proven guilty    

[keitaro 4,113]

Giusto, ma il "proven" che si usa nelle corti civili USA è quello li che ho citato sopra, del "più probabile che non". E qui ci sono prove ben oltre il "più probabile che non" ergo sono pesantemente colpevoli.

[snakepit 7,420]

sempre una garanzia, il NYP

 

[Lakeshow 2,435]

Giusto, ma il "proven" che si usa nelle corti civili USA è quello li che ho citato sopra, del "più probabile che non". E qui ci sono prove ben oltre il "più probabile che non" ergo sono pesantemente colpevoli.

Nelle corti US quell'espressione - ho controllato - si usa nel caso che un'evento sia accaduto con quasi totale certezza, con una formulazione quindi ambigua, senza prove schiaccianti ma oltre il ragionevole dubbio.

 

Continuo a chiedere -BEN LUNGI DALLA DIFESA ALLA JUVENTINA - dov'è la prova?

Secondo: quale pena è commisurata al presunto reato (ma sarebbe più corretto dire violazione)? Dalle ultime notizie i Pats temono dalle sei alle otto giornate di squalifica...questa pena sarebbe equa? Ray Rice, pur reo di una violenza extra sportiva, ma con l'NFL che HA FATTO FINTA DI NON CONOSCERE il video dell'ascensore, ha avuto una punizione che per gravità sarebbe di 3-4 volte inferiore a quella ventilata.

 

Punizione che come pena non scritta include l'estromissione de facto dei Patriots dalla stagione 2015 e, fatto soggettivo, la riduzione della metà dello stipendio di Brady.

 

Posto che ancora si deve trovare il collegamento tra i messaggi dei due ball boy e un eventuale comportamento volontariamente fraudolento di Brady, ripeto: quale pena sarebbe giusta? Quella comminata a Rice? Quella per lo Spygate? O una semplice sanzione? Perché di quello si tratta. Una violazione ancora da accertare di una norma riguardante il rulebook della NFL e che potrebbe far coppia con quella del proprietario dei Falcons, che sapeva dell'esistenza di altoparlanti che aumentavano il rumore ambientale del Georgia dome. Sappiamo quale sia l'effetto del pubblico sui QB in trasferta, mentre qui si parla di un effetto di non comprovato valore, visto che ogni QB ha le sue preferenze. Punizione? 500 mica dollari e draft picks tolte. Togliendo dall'equazione le draft picks visto che l'unico indagato è Brady, penso che la sanzione monetaria sia il giusto prezzo da pagare per questo caso assurdo.

[Alevin 3,535]

Report: Tom Brady expected to be suspended by NFL, number of games to be announced next week

[Guest Nigma]

Report: Tom Brady expected to be suspended by NFL, number of games to be announced next week

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/myers-roger-goodell-suspend-tom-brady-deflategate-article-1.2215881

[D-GenerationLakers 7,588]

Vi chiedo delucidazioni perchè realmente non capisco

 

 

quindi Brady si porta lo sgonfia palloni solo nelle partite casalinghe ed in trasferta fa tutto da solo ??

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