BengaLaker 2,459 Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Goodell ha avuto evidenti pressioni dall'interno e per salvare il suo sederino ha fatto contenti gli altri owner. Peccato che questa sia una cazzata. andiamo...tutti sti complotti Hanno sbagliato - FORSE - e si sta provvedendo a risolvere tra le due parti, con qualche scintilla. Io onestamente davvero (sarò ingenuo) ma non ci vedo grandi manovre di palazzo. Si sa che la Nfl ama la mano pesante su certe cose, per far vedere che adotta la politica del "rigare dritto". Alla fine c'è molto più rumore solo perchè di mezzo c'è la squadra vincente del superbowl, fosse capitato ai Bengals e dalton non se lo inculava nessuno ma andando a spulciare probabilmente ci sarebbero state identiche mosse e contromosse tra dirigenza cincinnati ed NFL. Cmq, visto che voi siete più informati di me sulla questione non intendo andare oltre. Magari avete ragione voi e io sono troppo "romantico" con mio sport del cuore, però a naso per me non c'è nulla di così catastrofico o diverso dal solito. Molti giocatori ogni anno vengono squalificati, per tantissimi motivi diversi tra loro. Ora c'è il grande Brady sulla graticola e l'eco arriva fino al polo sud. Tutta quà. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheGoods 2,461 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Vogliamo far finta che "determinati" owner non abbiano fatto pressione su Goodell per confermare la squalifica di Brady? Vogliamo far finta che Goodell sia sulla graticola da almeno un anno vista la sua penosa gestione della lega? Ok, facciamo finta. "Politica del rigare dritto"? In questa politica ci sono anche i tizi che quasi uccidono la ragazza? Il Super Bowl c'entra nulla, il polverone c'è perchè ci sono di mezzo di Patriots. I Patriots sono sospettati di aver fatto un qualcosa e succede il finimondo, i Viking riscaldano i palloni sulla sideline e nessuno sa nulla. Favre non consegna il telefono in una indagine interna alla lega e viene multato per 25K, Brady prende 4 giornate per essere "more probable then not at least generally aware". Certo, la NFL non aizza nessuno, Goodell ha gestito tutto in maniera perfetta durante il suo mandato di commissioner e le pene sono giuste, proporzionali e mai strumentalizzate. Aspetto sempre la marmotta che confeziona la cioccolata. Su una cosa hai ragione, non sei adeguatamente informato sulla vicenda e sulla gestione delle multe/sospensioni in NFL. Molti giocatori vengono squalificati per aver commesso qualcosa, non per essere "more probable then not at least generally aware". E non si tratta di sport del cuore o meno, perchè anche per me la NFL significa molto e questo sarà l'ottavo anno che la seguo da molto vicino. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D-GenerationLakers 7,565 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Ma Yahoo Sports è gestito da Bob Kraft ??? Roger Goodell's manipulation of Tom Brady's testimony leaves NFL on slippery slopeAt this point it's fair to say the NFL was immediately convinced the New England Patriots deflated footballs in the AFC championship game and then worked backward with great diligence and, at times, great duplicity to conclude it as true. The NFL mostly failed, although that doesn't guarantee the Patriots are innocent. New England very well might have deflated the footballs. There was, and there remains, plenty of suspicious acts that demand questioning after a guy nicknamed the Deflator took the footballs into the bathroom just before kickoff. It's just the league has never proven its case. No matter where you stand on the guilt or innocence of Tom Brady, et al, the actions of the league office grow more disconcerting and indefensible by the day, especially after Thursday's release of testimony and documents from Brady's appeal of his four-game suspension. There is a laundry list of concerns here, starting with the fact no one in the league office knew footballs could naturally deflate. This ignorance lit the fuse of a scandal that is still burning. The NFL was prone to wrongly conclude that any measurement under 12.5 pounds per square inch was an act of cheating. From there, pretty much every single action, conclusion or determination was designed to find a path to that original belief of guilt. But this is about focusing on one curiously inconsistent point because going over all of them would take an entire book. So let's look at Roger Goodell's conclusion that conversations between Brady and Patriots staffer John Jastremski after the news of the scandal broke are proof that Jastremski was running a cheating operation and Brady either knew about it, tried to cover it up or both. Goodell and his investigator, Ted Wells, were obsessed with the fact Brady and Jastremski had not texted or spoken on the phone for six months until the morning after the AFC championship game, when news hit the league was investigating the Patriots' footballs. Then the two started communicating, numerous times over the next few days, including a face-to-face meeting in the quarterbacks room in Gillette Stadium. To the NFL, this was proof of guilt. That alone was dubious. Why would Brady and Jastremski be automatically guilty for talking after they were suddenly in the middle of a massive scandal and media firestorm? With the presumption of innocence, or even impartiality, their actions are quite understandable. Once accused of playing with under-inflated footballs, of course Brady would want to find out what the heck was going on and talk to Jastremski. And of course Jastremski would want to profess his innocence – especially if he was really innocent – or theorize with Brady about how such a thing could occur. It would have been far more incriminating if Brady and Jastremski never spoke. Both Wells and Goodell, for instance, saw no issue in Patriots coach Bill Belichick, upon hearing the news, going to Brady and asking if he knew anything about the footballs. It's completely natural. So not with Brady? Furthermore, after the first conversation between Brady and Jastremski, all other communication came under false pretenses. By late Monday morning the NFL had wrongly told the Patriots that their footballs were deflated as low as 10.1 psi – which put the organization on its heels because it was such a significant reduction. Hearing such data from the league office would certainly cause Brady and Jastremski to revisit the situation. Let's say Jastremski said early Monday morning he didn't do it, doubted anyone did and couldn't even believe this occurred – something both Brady and Jastremski said occurred. Then the NFL put out the false 10.1 psi number. Of course Brady would call back and say, "Well, this is what the NFL found, something must have happened. What's the story?" Then later, ESPN, citing league sources, reported that 11 of the 12 Patriots footballs were two pounds or more below the league standard. It was also completely wrong but no one in New England knew that at the time so this looked terrible. Again, Brady would reasonably want to ask more questions. The NFL instead said the daily discussions were proof of guilt. So the league created fake duress for Brady via false evidence and then found him guilty for reacting to it in an understandable fashion. This is a rather aggressive interrogation tactic generally reserved for murder investigations, terrorist questionings and "Law & Order" reruns. It isn't how anyone would normally expect the league office to act when trying to determine the inflation levels of footballs.Brady, in his testimony, said the reports – again, erroneously made up, possibly leaked and never corrected by the NFL – framed their discussions. Here's one answer when asked about what was discussed during one conversation, why it was discussed and why he was even talking to Jastremski. "[Jastremski] was the person that prepared the footballs and like I said, the initial report was that none of the Colts' balls were deflated, but the Patriots', all the Patriots' balls were," Brady testified. "So I was trying to figure out what happened. [it] was certainly my concern [to attempt] to figure out, you know, what could be – possibly could have happened to those balls." Does this seem reasonable? Or proof of overwhelming guilt? Actually, don't bother answering because it gets far worse for the league office. Goodell manages to not just ignore that as reasonable but in making his decision completely misrepresents Brady's appeal testimony. When Goodell released his 20-page appeal denial, the NFL was under the impression that all testimony and documents would remain sealed. Brady's lawyer, Jeffrey Kessler, wanted it available for fans to read. The NFL got its way. However, a federal judge ruled nothing should be under seal and suddenly it all came out. So now we can see the contrast in how Goodell characterized Brady's testimony and the actual testimony. Here is how Goodell saw it, and, in the process, characterized what Brady said he and Jastremski discussed. "The sharp contrast between the almost complete absence of communications through the AFC championship game undermines any suggestion during the three days following the AFC championship game that the communications addressed ONLY [emphasis added] preparation of footballs for the Super Bowl rather than the tampering allegations and their anticipated responses to inquiries about the tampering," Goodell wrote. Only? Wait, Brady and Jastremski ONLY discussed the preparation of the footballs for the Super Bowl? That certainly could undermine things. It would be incredibly suspicious, incriminating even, if Brady claimed that in the midst of this growing scandal, he and Jastremski spoke repeatedly but ONLY about preparing footballs for the Super Bowl. No one would believe that. Which is perhaps why Goodell wrote it as such. Like many things from the NFL in this scandal, it's completely incorrect (and actually contradicted within other portions and footnotes of Goodell's own ruling, not to mention the Wells Report). With the release of the transcript, though, the commissioner's claims have misrepresented the evidence.While it is true Brady didn't offer any specifics of those discussions, it is also true that when being questioned under oath people are coached to never be too specific. Goodell and his team of lawyers fully understand this and even a modicum of fairness would require sympathy to the circumstance. Besides, Brady was specific enough – certainly specific enough that it's a complete lie to claim he said he and Jastremski ONLY discussed preparing the footballs for the Super Bowl. Brady repeatedly answered the opposite. Here are a couple of examples to go with the one above: "I don't remember exactly what we discussed," Brady said. "But like I said, there was two things that were happening. One was the allegations which we were facing and the second was getting ready for the Super Bowl, which both of those have never happened before [Jastremski wasn't in charge of the footballs at prior Super Bowls, and there was no scandal brewing]. So me talking to him about those things that were unprecedented, you know, he was the person that I would be communicating with." And: "I don't remember exactly what we talked about," Brady said. "But like I said, there were two things happening simultaneously and I really wanted John focused other than what he needed to get accomplished with the footballs, so I was trying to make sure that he was good and that, you know, he felt responsible for, you know, the attacks. And I was trying to make sure that he was composed so that he could do his job over the course of the next two weeks." Brady also testified that he directly asked Jastremski if he deflated the footballs or knew anything about it – Jastremski said no every single time. Jastremski told the Wells investigators the same thing. Brady also explained, often repeatedly, that he wanted to make sure Jastremski was mentally focused on the Super Bowl when 100 footballs need to be prepared, among other tasks. He also said he texted and spoke to him to make him feel better as the world collapsed around him. While preparing for the Super Bowl was a primary concern – is that surprising? – Brady couldn't have been more clear that other topics were broached, including the scandal, and that they didn't ONLY discuss football prep for the Seattle game. All of this was said under oath directly in front of Roger Goodell. Forget guilt and innocence, is there any reasonable way that Roger Goodell could hear all of that – spend five weeks reviewing the evidence, including the transcript and despite being surrounded by high-priced attorneys and public-relations consultants – and then still write that Brady ONLY discussed preparing footballs for the Super Bowl and as such is untruthful and guilty? Is that a fair and accurate portrayal of what Brady testified? Is that even remotely reasonable? Or is it just an attempt to make Brady appear guilty and thus continue months of conduct that appear designed to justify the original suspicion. Perhaps more importantly, how does anyone in the NFL – owner, coach, player or fan – possibly trust the league office to investigate and rule on anything ever again? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nigma Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Continuo a non capire perché tanta agitazione, il tribunale sta lavorando, dategli tempo! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keitaro 4,088 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Che poi il tribunale è stato tirato in ballo mica per la questione di merito della violazione, ma per un accrocchio da avvocati su "fair procedure" o azzeccagarbugliate del genere. Ma ovviamente i bostoniani la venderanno come se il tribunale decidesse sulla violazione sportiva in sè. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keitaro 4,088 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Dan Wetzel, ospite fisso di CBS boston? Dan Wetzel quello che copriva il processo di Aaron Hernandez con lo stesso zelo innocentista e si indignava se chiedevano ai giurati se fossero fan dei Patriots? Mamma mia che tedio. Dovremo spararci ogni giorno la rassegna stampa da patsfan.com? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snakepit 7,420 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Wetzel is a native of Norwell, Massachusetts and a 1994 graduate of the University of Massachusetts Amherst Praticamente la definizione di super partes Non so, sarebbe interessante conoscere ora anche l'opinione del Tom Brady & Gisele Bunchen fanclub di Tor Vergata Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BengaLaker 2,459 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Finisca come finisca, ma che finisca presto. Non vedo l'ora che inizi la stagione, con o senza Brady. Già lo amo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V3AYm1RLtc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alevin 3,502 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Riparliamone quando sarà in campo Ho ancora stampato nella mente il fake FG di Seattle con lui che corre incontro a Jon Ryan e lascia andare il ricevitore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mone 24 2,041 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 2 a 1 nella mini serie con Philadelphia. Molto bene considerando l'ultimo periodo dei Phillies, positivo e in controtendenza con il resto della stagione. Ieri sera partita un po' folle ( se volete vi passo il condesend game, il live era su Fox Sports ), con Greinke che fa il 1° out solo dopo aver subito 5 punti, con entrambi gli attacchi che giocano benissimo i primi 3 inning, con una rimonta sfiorata dai Phillies nell'ultimo inning, che si portano sul 8 a 10 con 1 solo out, un uomo in prima ed un uomo in terza. Oggi inizia la mini serie con Pittsburgh, poi torniamo ad LA. Kershaw vs Cole, nessuna diretta su Fox che passa Detroit vs Boston. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nigma Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Mone, segui i Dodgers??? Oddio. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mone 24 2,041 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Quanto posso, Nigma. Quindi il condensed game della partita precedente, vari account Twitter e il blog Dodgers Nation. Credo che seguire attivamente la stagione MLB sia veramente complesso per l'enorme mole di partite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alevin 3,502 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 SCPD arrested Aldon Smith last night for Hit&Run, DUI, and vandalism. Poca roba insomma.... Matt Barrows @mattbarrows There have been 12 #49ers arrests or charges since January 2012; five of them have involved Aldon Smith. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snakepit 7,420 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Praticamente un all-in, questo di A.Smith... Molto bene Mone..ieri Greinke si fa perdonare con un 3/3, HR e batflip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lakeshow 2,435 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Ho visto 2 partite su 3 della serie. Phillies fastidiosissimi... Il bullpen continua ad essere "meh". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
(_Nimrod_) 435 Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 I 49ers hanno tagliato Smith. Dire che li vedo male è poco 5 ritiri più il taglio di Smith. Una catastrofe a mio parere. E non la situazione migliore per Kaep per mostrare i miglioramenti che dovrebbe aver fatto allenandosi con Warner.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mone 24 2,041 Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Kershaw arrivava alla partita di stanotte in striscia di 37 IP senza subire punti: solo HR al primo lancio e partita chiusa con 4 ER. Perdiamo al 10th inning, oggi alle 22.05 c'è la seconda partita della miniserie contro i Pirates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snakepit 7,420 Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Come è nato il logo dei Dodgers al trasferimento da Brooklyn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alevin 3,502 Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Spoiler dalla prossima stagione di The League https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2kXmFOJ_2k Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Lakeshow 2,435 Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Come è nato il logo dei Dodgers al trasferimento da Brooklyn Segui Todd Radom? Da quando ho scoperto il suo account twitter mi si è aperto un mondo... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nigma Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 Ho una domanda per gli esperti di baseball: nel rendimento di un pitch, in che misura è merito suo esclusivo e in che misura interviene invece il contributo del catcher? Prendo l'esempio dei Cardinals (ovvio, neh? ): il segreto del loro record, come dimostrato nelle recenti uscite nonché da una elaborazione che visto qualche giorno fa, è tutto nella rotazione, che sta mettendo su cifre impressionanti nel suo complesso. Eppure nessuno è un ace riconosciuto, ed i risultati sono così vastamente distribuiti fra Wacha, Lynn, Lackey, Martinez e Garcia che comunque non si spiegherebbero col solo ascriverli (paradossalmente) al rango di assi. Mi domando: bravi (e fortunati) loro singolarmente, o merito di Molina? Esiste (mediamente) una percentuale di ripartizione del merito? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheGoods 2,461 Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 Game calling e framing sono immensamente importanti. Infatti da qualche anno ci sono dei nuovi studi sabermetrici su questi aspetti, soprattutto sul secondo. Giudicare e quantificare l'apporto di un catcher in tutto quello che fa dietro al piatto è probabilmente l'aspetto più difficile del baseball. Le framing WAR sono il trend ricercato negli ultimi, soprattutto con gli arbitri che sono sempre più inclini a chiamare strike in expanded strike zone. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/so-christian-vazquez-is-partially-elite/ Detto questo varia da caso a caso. Ci sono pitcher con comando eccellente di uno o più lanci, che semplificano la vita al catcher. Ci sono pitcher che si fidano del game calling del loro ricevitore, lanciando sempre quello che chiede, mentre ci sono altri che fanno head shaking fino a quando non lanciano quello che vogliono. Nel caso specifico dei Cardinals, che devono buona parte dei loro risultati al pitching ma NON devono TUTTO al pitching (migliore WAR complessiva nel pitching, ampiamente nella media e anche un pò di più per quanto riguarda l'hitting), sicuramente Yadier Molina influisce molto sul rendimento dei suoi lanciatori, pur non essendo quest'anno un pitch framer elite. ( http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/04/did-yadier-molina-forget-how-to-frame-pitches/ ) Però ovviamente non esiste solo il framing, c'è anche la parte del game calling da tenere in considerazione. Ed in questo aspetto Molina è decisamente ancora uno dei migliori, se non il migliore, della MLB. Anche la fortuna e la difesa sono molto importanti per quanto riguarda il rendimento effettivo del pitching. Il pitching dei Cardinals ha la migliore HR/FB% della lega con 8.1%, una delle migliori BABIP con .287 e inducono la quarta miglior percentuale di grounders della lega con 47.8% Questo in soldoni si traduce con il fatto che le grounders (tante) diventano valide con minor frequenza (BABIP bassa), lasciando più uomini in base (81.3% di LOB, migliore della lega, con i secondi a 75.9%) e girando più doppi giochi, e le flyball diventano HR con minor frequenza rispetto alla media (HR/FB% bassa). In numeri più comprensibili, i Cardinals hanno la migliore ERA della lega con 2.58, di gran lunga migliore di quella dei secondi (Pirates, 3.22). Però le peripherals (FIP e xFIP), pur restando ottime, sono decisamente più nella norma. La FIP (Fielding Indipendent Pitching) è sempre la migliore della lega con 3.26, ma i secondi sono i Nationals con 3.31, mentre la xFIP (normalizza la HR/FB%, ponendola pari alla media della lega, circa 10%) è la ottava migliore della lega con 3.60, con i Dodgers primi a 3.28. Ricapitolando, i lanciatori dei Cardinals stanno lanciando indubbiamente bene, ma sono abbastanza aiutati da difesa e fortuna. Il che non è assolutamente un demerito, anzi. Comunque l'abilità di indurre groundball è assolutamente un merito, così come quella di indurre pop fly. Sono entrambe derivanti dalla stuff e dalle abilità del lanciatore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mone 24 2,041 Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Finisce con 3 L la serie contro i Pirates. Stanotte siamo stati in vantaggio per 6 inning e mezzo, poi nella parte bassa del settimo prendiamo 9 punti con 9 runs, i Pirates pareggiano e prendono il largo definitivamente. Lunedì inizia la serie a Los Angeles contro i Nationals. Non è un gran periodo, ma incontriamo una squadra che nelle ultime 10 ha mostrato qualche problema e non è proprio caldissima ( record 3-7 ). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BengaLaker 2,459 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Il kicker veterano degli steelers Suisham fuori per la stagione (torn ACL). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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